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 Originally Posted by daviddem
So in the end, I am not so sure about shoving. Is c/c horrible here, as it gives him the opportunity to bluff his busted draws?
Why aren't you including AKs/KQs/KJs/KTs that had a flush draw on earlier streets. Also you should definitely be excluding almost all 4x/33/22(this one probably even folds flop some %). I think this makes it an easy shovel as a tonne of his shit is going to check back on K river. Now if we know he's a huge station w/ draws and will bluff in desperation we can check but that doesn't make the option better then shoving. The only way it becomes better then shoving is if he is easily scared by overcards but I doubt we have that read.
I also think using pokerstove is a very poor way to learn these situations. You should be able to quickly count combos in your hand rather then have to punch a bunch of hands into pokerstove and probably not even realize how many combos their is. It's super easy to count all possible hands in hold em quickly if you practice it particularly when there is a bet on every street.
The reason you use pokerstove on flop/turn is because it's more difficult (relative to the river) to assign equities for hundreds of different hands although we could probably do this categorically and be pretty accurate with practice sort of like you do it in PLO except easier...Actually that's a pretty good exercise if you actually want to get good. Next time you review some hands assign ranges and estimate equities in some time interval. See how close you come and eventually try to shorten this time interval while hopefully maintaining good accuracy.
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